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Most new real estate investors don really have a high enougn net worth for the cost of the "asset protection" they think the LLC provides. Most don really benefit from an entity structure until their net worth is in the high seven figures.
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The fact that you owned your rental property in 2009 means that you pay yourself those wages. So you get an expense on Schedule C or E, but then you get wages to declare for the same amount! So tax liability does not really change, since you have income paid to yourself equal to the expense that you wanted to take.
Originally posted by Dave T:
If your property is owned by an LLC, Then you would simply cut yourself a check from the LLC for skilled labor rates. Also, you would keep records of all other expenses related to the property.
can avoid paying FICA taxes on some of the income that will ultimately be passed through to you (and any other shareholders/members) at the end of the year.
The big thing about this is, no matter what way you decide to go about handling this accounting measure, the money is still the same. Wether you pay yourself now or later, your ledger balance will remain neutral. Most people can wrap their brains arround the fact that perceived income isnt neccesarily actual income. Due to the time value of money, your best option is to go with the LLC, pay yourself now, and defer the capital gains tax to as late as possible. ie Years.
Just something to think about.
Well, what this comes down to is. Who owns the properties liabilities? Are you protecting yourself and holding the property in an LLC which you are the sole owner? OR do you own the property without that "corporate veil"?
I did most of the work myself with my wife and was wondering if there is a way to deduct all those labor hours as an expense and at what rate would it be reasonable. Or what is the proper way to go about getting paid (or deducting) for rendering Women Nike Roshe Shoes
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There may actually be benefits to not paying yourself this money, and keeping it in the company, assuming you own the property in an LLC taxed as an S Corp.
When you take into account the tax benefits, you really only need to be earning (not net worth) in the low six figures in most real estate activities before the headache of managing corporate entities is optimal over not having those entities in place.
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Edited Jun 26 2010, 11:08 by Lyle
OK, for sake of explanation. Let say you paid yourself some hourly rate times number of hours worked = total wages. Your rental property pays you those wages, and you then get a 1099 telling you that you will have to pay the IRS income taxes for wages earned.
Generally, Skilled labor rates run between $17.50/hr well through $90.00.
If you own the property personally, you have already been paid for your labor in the form of equity. Due to you working on the property, you have made the property increase in value, and the market as a whole will dictate the value of your Nike Roshe Run Men Floral
I purchased a rental property in 2009 and had to do major remodeling before it was ready to rent. I do not have an accountatnt yet but planning on looking for one to have my taxes done this year. This is my first rental property.
labor. You will realize the payment for your labor when you rent/sell the property. In this light, the taxes you pay on the gain will also be deferred til sale.
Hi, the primary purpose of setting up and maintaing an LLC should not be for liability protection but for the flexibility of conducting business. Liabilty protection in my opinion is secondary and it seems some look to the LLC as a substitute for liabilty inusrance, I don agree with that either. Recently, there was a gas explosion in a rental property, that house was gone and it caused significant damage to surrounding homes as well. Lucky no one was killed! The tenant was changing out a hot water heater and left to go get parts. The tenant was not a plumber as required in the city. Clearly it is negligence. The tenant will be facing criminal charges and the landlord civil. An LLC is a first line of defense, and likely the insurance company will simply write a check and walk away, leaving the landlord to defend himslef beyound the limits insured. 10 people could have easily died in that explosion, there goes your five million dollar laiabilty policy withot considering property damage. In reality, I have not heard of a landlord who owns three 45K rentals having more than 5M in coverage, most don have that. So, the LLC gives the landlord a fighting chance if it was properly maintained, without it, he might as well pack his bags and leave the country! Maybe in some areas, judges zap right through an LLC, but not in my area!Get the Free eBook from BiggerPockets
This is a great point, though my personal research (so take it for what it worth) has indicated that the break even point in net worth is actually in the low seven figures when both the cost and effort of maintaining asset protection through corporate entities is more efficient than general liability policies.
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